Increase would alter character of the town

Ilkley Gazette: Councillor Colin Campbell Councillor Colin Campbell

A new Facebook group has been set up to oppose new housing that could increase Otley’s size by a fifth.

The Otley Development Disgrace (ODD) campaign aims to co-ordinate opposition to the massive increase in new housing that is set to happen across Leeds over the next 15 years.

Under the Local Development Framework (LDF) the city has been earmarked for 74,000 new homes, with the Otley area – also including Pool-in-Wharfedale, Bramhope and Adel – in line to provide up to 2,200.

On its home page the ODD group sets out its fears about the impact of such expansion: “Leeds city planners are proposing a very substantial increase in the size of Otley.

“This is proposed without any meaningful consultations with residents or any clear commitments to make appropriate improvements to our infrastructure and transport links.”

The group is focused on the consequences for Otley, which is due to take the lion’s share of the new local development.

A spokesman said: “While the LDF is directing a large numbers of planned housing to specific sites, it does this without also presenting the probable numerical impact on individual communities.

“The numerical impact can be estimated quite simply by assuming that new housing will be built in accordance with the priorities published in the framework – this will not be the actual outturn but it is the intent of the planners, and can be expected to be a good indicator of what will happen. When the calculation is done it predicts that 1,177 of the new houses planned for Leeds Outer North West will be located in Otley.

“Clearly the corresponding figures for Pool, Bramhope and other areas are much smaller.

“The main concern is that the LDF plans the distribution of new housing without publishing the combined impact of the development sites on each community. In the particular case of Otley, the planned increase in the number of dwellings is 20 per cent – we believe such an increase should not be proposed without first conducting a careful appraisal of the overall consequences for the town.”

The group includes documents containing data The core strategy part of the LDF is now with an inspector who has three options

  • To agree with what the city council has set out, in which case a second document listing suitable sites will come into play
  • To agree with protesters and reduce the numbers outlined for future housing
  • To agree with housebuilders, and increase the numbers.

Councillor Colin Campbell (Lib Dem, Otey & Yeadon) said he agreed with the thrust of ODD’s position. He said: “Unfortunately, because of a directive from the previous government, we are stuck with the requirement to identify sites for housing development.

“My ward colleagues and I have consistently opposed development on the green fields around Otley and will continue to do everything we can to prevent major house building altering the character of the town.”

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1:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Red Kite 2 says...

Please help to stop this ill-considered planning proposal:

(1) Sign the e-petition "We object most strongly to the substantial increase in houses in Otley (some 20%) implicit in the new Leeds Local Development Framework, particularly as this planned increase arises from individual housing sites without any consideration of the overall effect on the community."

http://tinyurl.com/p
oauxp2

(2) Join the Facebook Group "Otley Development Disgrace"
Please help to stop this ill-considered planning proposal: (1) Sign the e-petition "We object most strongly to the substantial increase in houses in Otley (some 20%) implicit in the new Leeds Local Development Framework, particularly as this planned increase arises from individual housing sites without any consideration of the overall effect on the community." http://tinyurl.com/p oauxp2 (2) Join the Facebook Group "Otley Development Disgrace" Red Kite 2

10:59am Fri 6 Dec 13

Half Pint Bob says...

Pathetic. Without new housing the town will become an OAP ghetto. We need the new houses to the East of Otley to deliver the new by-pass. This will take passing through traffic out of the town and make it a more viable and pleasant place to shop. Two off the biggest sites are all ready allocated by the Council so there is no way they won't be built.
Pathetic. Without new housing the town will become an OAP ghetto. We need the new houses to the East of Otley to deliver the new by-pass. This will take passing through traffic out of the town and make it a more viable and pleasant place to shop. Two off the biggest sites are all ready allocated by the Council so there is no way they won't be built. Half Pint Bob

11:13am Fri 6 Dec 13

JustOverTheRoad says...

Fully support the opposition to the development however ahhh... the Lib Dems - don't you just love 'em with their party political point scoring (local councillors and our MP).

'Because of a directive from the previous government' - well I believe it's three years they've been in power and have not really done anything about the directive. In fact it's THEIR government that's relaxed the planning rules and regs so that developments like these can be pushed through much more easily. (Not too sure if they have or they are planning to - I can't really recall where they are with it after all the U turns they've done).

I'd like to see them spend more time focussing on issues we're facing at the moment such as the hour (that's just about 11 MPH) it takes to travel from Leeds on the X84 (and getting worse) - can't be good for attracting people into Otley to enjoy the pubs and shops. Or what about addressing the number of trucks speeding through the town?
Fully support the opposition to the development however ahhh... the Lib Dems - don't you just love 'em with their party political point scoring (local councillors and our MP). 'Because of a directive from the previous government' - well I believe it's three years they've been in power and have not really done anything about the directive. In fact it's THEIR government that's relaxed the planning rules and regs so that developments like these can be pushed through much more easily. (Not too sure if they have or they are planning to - I can't really recall where they are with it after all the U turns they've done). I'd like to see them spend more time focussing on issues we're facing at the moment such as the hour (that's just about 11 MPH) it takes to travel from Leeds on the X84 (and getting worse) - can't be good for attracting people into Otley to enjoy the pubs and shops. Or what about addressing the number of trucks speeding through the town? JustOverTheRoad

8:00pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Arthington Station Action Group says...

Anybody taking bets that these housing developments will still go ahead no matter how much people protest? The main source of employment will be Leeds and the A660 is going to get some more stick . The X84 will take even longer to get there. Where is the back up plan? We need to make sure we get something out of all this for our area if these houses get built.

Arthington Station would be a good place to start and the developers should help to pay for it. Re open this station and you could well be in the centre of Leeds 20 minutes after you get on the train. Including the drive to Arthington you could still do the whole journey into Leeds in around half an hour. Once the Harrogate line is electrified you could expect to have fast trains to Leeds or Harrogate every 15 minutes. This would double the present train frequency of every 30 minutes.
It's always easy to moan but coming up with an alternative for some people tends to be more difficult. We need another option to the A660 no matter what happens over these developments.
Anybody taking bets that these housing developments will still go ahead no matter how much people protest? The main source of employment will be Leeds and the A660 is going to get some more stick . The X84 will take even longer to get there. Where is the back up plan? We need to make sure we get something out of all this for our area if these houses get built. Arthington Station would be a good place to start and the developers should help to pay for it. Re open this station and you could well be in the centre of Leeds 20 minutes after you get on the train. Including the drive to Arthington you could still do the whole journey into Leeds in around half an hour. Once the Harrogate line is electrified you could expect to have fast trains to Leeds or Harrogate every 15 minutes. This would double the present train frequency of every 30 minutes. It's always easy to moan but coming up with an alternative for some people tends to be more difficult. We need another option to the A660 no matter what happens over these developments. Arthington Station Action Group

10:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Blue lagoon says...

An excellent article which will help inform the people of Otley just how much new development is being proposed for our town. In addition to the developments that are already happening (of which we have not seen the impact of yet, until people move in), there would be another 1,200 homes, meaning an additional 2,000+ cars on our already packed roads and full car parks, adding extra journey time to work.
I couldn't disagree with Half Pint Bob more - the proposed relief road would only connect Pool Road with Leeds Road - this would not remove much passing through traffic from Otley town centre. Also how would Otley become a more 'viable and pleasant place to shop' with the 2000+ extra cars polluting our town? The green fields that would be sacrificed to concrete for the sake of a road we do not need, would be lost forever.
An excellent article which will help inform the people of Otley just how much new development is being proposed for our town. In addition to the developments that are already happening (of which we have not seen the impact of yet, until people move in), there would be another 1,200 homes, meaning an additional 2,000+ cars on our already packed roads and full car parks, adding extra journey time to work. I couldn't disagree with Half Pint Bob more - the proposed relief road would only connect Pool Road with Leeds Road - this would not remove much passing through traffic from Otley town centre. Also how would Otley become a more 'viable and pleasant place to shop' with the 2000+ extra cars polluting our town? The green fields that would be sacrificed to concrete for the sake of a road we do not need, would be lost forever. Blue lagoon

10:49pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Otleyresidentenow says...

I’m saddened to hear that ‘half pint Bob’ is so ill-informed! Making more roads doesn’t stop traffic it only encourages more. Sadly people follow the path of least resistance and will find ever more ‘easy’ ways to travel into Otley regardless of any relief road. Once they are there, the question is, where will they park? As a lifetime resident of this beautiful little town, I find it near impossible to find parking, especially at peak times. My experience of living in Otley all my life is being eroded by the desire of greedy developers promoting profit at the expense of our community, our lifestyles and without any consideration of the impact of 2400 extra cars, countless social problems and a move to changing the character of our little market town. As a lifelong resident, I feel threatened, things are changing for the worse and the only people who will profit don’t have to live here! I desperately want to protect our town from greedy faceless developers!
I’m saddened to hear that ‘half pint Bob’ is so ill-informed! Making more roads doesn’t stop traffic it only encourages more. Sadly people follow the path of least resistance and will find ever more ‘easy’ ways to travel into Otley regardless of any relief road. Once they are there, the question is, where will they park? As a lifetime resident of this beautiful little town, I find it near impossible to find parking, especially at peak times. My experience of living in Otley all my life is being eroded by the desire of greedy developers promoting profit at the expense of our community, our lifestyles and without any consideration of the impact of 2400 extra cars, countless social problems and a move to changing the character of our little market town. As a lifelong resident, I feel threatened, things are changing for the worse and the only people who will profit don’t have to live here! I desperately want to protect our town from greedy faceless developers! Otleyresidentenow

1:57pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Half Pint Bob says...

Otleyresidentnow and Blue Lagoon you are the ill informed ones. The relief road would take people travelling from the A1, Harrogate and Knaresborough etc. who have no intention of stopping in Otley up to Leeds Road, down the bypass and then onto the Burley bypass. This route would be ten times quicker than driving through the centre of Otley. As we all know Otley is plagued with pedestrian crossings which snarl the town centre up, therefore this displacement of traffic would therefore make Otley a less busy (in highway terms) and therefore a more attractive place to shop during the week and on weekends. So why on earth would the relief road encourage more people to travel into the town......BASIC PLANNING. The relief road is unlikely to attract more cars it will just better manage those already travelling along the A658.

New housing brings massive socio-economic benefits which should be encouraged. Our Cllrs bring us new toilets......cutting edge stuff.
Otleyresidentnow and Blue Lagoon you are the ill informed ones. The relief road would take people travelling from the A1, Harrogate and Knaresborough etc. who have no intention of stopping in Otley up to Leeds Road, down the bypass and then onto the Burley bypass. This route would be ten times quicker than driving through the centre of Otley. As we all know Otley is plagued with pedestrian crossings which snarl the town centre up, therefore this displacement of traffic would therefore make Otley a less busy (in highway terms) and therefore a more attractive place to shop during the week and on weekends. So why on earth would the relief road encourage more people to travel into the town......BASIC PLANNING. The relief road is unlikely to attract more cars it will just better manage those already travelling along the A658. New housing brings massive socio-economic benefits which should be encouraged. Our Cllrs bring us new toilets......cutting edge stuff. Half Pint Bob

2:00pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Half Pint Bob says...

By the way....how on earth would a new Arthington Train Station help and how on earth can you expect developers building in Otley to contribute???
By the way....how on earth would a new Arthington Train Station help and how on earth can you expect developers building in Otley to contribute??? Half Pint Bob

4:58pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Otleyresidentenow says...

Half Pint Bob wrote:
Otleyresidentnow and Blue Lagoon you are the ill informed ones. The relief road would take people travelling from the A1, Harrogate and Knaresborough etc. who have no intention of stopping in Otley up to Leeds Road, down the bypass and then onto the Burley bypass. This route would be ten times quicker than driving through the centre of Otley. As we all know Otley is plagued with pedestrian crossings which snarl the town centre up, therefore this displacement of traffic would therefore make Otley a less busy (in highway terms) and therefore a more attractive place to shop during the week and on weekends. So why on earth would the relief road encourage more people to travel into the town......BASIC PLANNING. The relief road is unlikely to attract more cars it will just better manage those already travelling along the A658.

New housing brings massive socio-economic benefits which should be encouraged. Our Cllrs bring us new toilets......cutting edge stuff.
Half Pint Bob, well we are going to have to disagree again. First, I’m wondering just how many people will be traveling from Harrogate (and Knaresborough) to Ilkley? I suspect not many, but with 2400 extra cars on the road, that will be already in Otley on a regular basis the traffic will increase and to suggest it will not is misinformed. Secondly with regards to your socio economic benefits, well yes it will make Otley busier, it will also benefit the supermarkets, but local shops rely on people being able to park and that is something that is getting much more difficult even without the extra cars. I do see that some people may feel it will improve our town, but more people doesn’t mean more work, how many trades people will be needed on new houses? Anyway, I wouldn’t mind extra people if our infrastructure could cope, but it can’t! I also object with houses being built on green fields when only a few miles away (even some in Otley) there are derelict buildings that developers should be made to use first! Why do you think they want to build in Otley? It’s cheaper and they can maximise their profits from the higher house prices in Otley (due to its semirural nature which is threatened by this proposed development).
[quote][p][bold]Half Pint Bob[/bold] wrote: Otleyresidentnow and Blue Lagoon you are the ill informed ones. The relief road would take people travelling from the A1, Harrogate and Knaresborough etc. who have no intention of stopping in Otley up to Leeds Road, down the bypass and then onto the Burley bypass. This route would be ten times quicker than driving through the centre of Otley. As we all know Otley is plagued with pedestrian crossings which snarl the town centre up, therefore this displacement of traffic would therefore make Otley a less busy (in highway terms) and therefore a more attractive place to shop during the week and on weekends. So why on earth would the relief road encourage more people to travel into the town......BASIC PLANNING. The relief road is unlikely to attract more cars it will just better manage those already travelling along the A658. New housing brings massive socio-economic benefits which should be encouraged. Our Cllrs bring us new toilets......cutting edge stuff.[/p][/quote]Half Pint Bob, well we are going to have to disagree again. First, I’m wondering just how many people will be traveling from Harrogate (and Knaresborough) to Ilkley? I suspect not many, but with 2400 extra cars on the road, that will be already in Otley on a regular basis the traffic will increase and to suggest it will not is misinformed. Secondly with regards to your socio economic benefits, well yes it will make Otley busier, it will also benefit the supermarkets, but local shops rely on people being able to park and that is something that is getting much more difficult even without the extra cars. I do see that some people may feel it will improve our town, but more people doesn’t mean more work, how many trades people will be needed on new houses? Anyway, I wouldn’t mind extra people if our infrastructure could cope, but it can’t! I also object with houses being built on green fields when only a few miles away (even some in Otley) there are derelict buildings that developers should be made to use first! Why do you think they want to build in Otley? It’s cheaper and they can maximise their profits from the higher house prices in Otley (due to its semirural nature which is threatened by this proposed development). Otleyresidentenow

8:55pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Half Pint Bob says...

The relief road will be a massive benefit and for those of us living in the pool road and cross green area the difference will be significant. The local shops are not just struggling because of the supermarkets they are struggling through lack of customers. The lack of customers does not come from a lack of parking spaces it comes from a lack of population. Otley has had little housing development in the last 20 years. A few conversions and the development of Weston Lane, the VW garage and Newell and that's about it.

Not sure how this campaign is going to stop the sites allocated throughout he UDP coming forward. Although no planning permissions have been granted yet, their release was agreed by the Council in 2012, and no amount of Facebooking will change that. Otley will be getting at least 700 house campaign or no campaign. The Cllr need to work with developers to get a better deal for the town in terms of 'planning gain' rather than fighting everything. It is my view that this will not be achieved through the neighbourhood plan as the individuals invited to manage the plan are not up to the job. It has nobody from the local business community on the panel and also a representative from one of the countries worst house builders. The neighbourhood plan will be an embarrassment.
The relief road will be a massive benefit and for those of us living in the pool road and cross green area the difference will be significant. The local shops are not just struggling because of the supermarkets they are struggling through lack of customers. The lack of customers does not come from a lack of parking spaces it comes from a lack of population. Otley has had little housing development in the last 20 years. A few conversions and the development of Weston Lane, the VW garage and Newell and that's about it. Not sure how this campaign is going to stop the sites allocated throughout he UDP coming forward. Although no planning permissions have been granted yet, their release was agreed by the Council in 2012, and no amount of Facebooking will change that. Otley will be getting at least 700 house campaign or no campaign. The Cllr need to work with developers to get a better deal for the town in terms of 'planning gain' rather than fighting everything. It is my view that this will not be achieved through the neighbourhood plan as the individuals invited to manage the plan are not up to the job. It has nobody from the local business community on the panel and also a representative from one of the countries worst house builders. The neighbourhood plan will be an embarrassment. Half Pint Bob

9:09pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Frances Lincoln says...

I think the town should return to Victorian Times.......everythi
ng should have stopped in 1947 when the town planning act came in to force. I cannot believe we have ever considered allowing new people into the town by building houses. Keep building to a minimum so house prices stay artificially high and full of OAP's.

OAP's are the life blood of the town......Cllr Campbell and his chums will be running this town in their **** stained pants and with walking sticks for the next 20 years.

I suppose we could improve infrastructure......
..oh actually we can't because any change would be fought my the NIMBY's. This town is going nowhere.
I think the town should return to Victorian Times.......everythi ng should have stopped in 1947 when the town planning act came in to force. I cannot believe we have ever considered allowing new people into the town by building houses. Keep building to a minimum so house prices stay artificially high and full of OAP's. OAP's are the life blood of the town......Cllr Campbell and his chums will be running this town in their **** stained pants and with walking sticks for the next 20 years. I suppose we could improve infrastructure...... ..oh actually we can't because any change would be fought my the NIMBY's. This town is going nowhere. Frances Lincoln

12:27am Wed 11 Dec 13

Arthington Station Action Group says...

Half Pint Bob wrote:
By the way....how on earth would a new Arthington Train Station help and how on earth can you expect developers building in Otley to contribute???
Well Mr Half Pint.
Seen as you've asked. The occupants of these houses which you advocate as being such good news for Otley will have to work somewhere. How do you suggest they get to their place of work? Or mores to the point where do you think they will work? Most of the big industries in Otley have long gone so it's not there. Harrogate perhaps? Or most probably Leeds. In any event Harrogate or Leeds could both be reached by train from Arthington. It seems perfectly logical to me that those wishing to develop in the Wharfe Valley should contribute to its infrastructure by investing in something that will not only be an asset to the occupants of these new houses but will also be an asset to everyone else. Including the OAPs you choose to mention. If you haven't noticed the A660 into Leeds is full at peak times? We need something much more sustainable. It might even be a good time to think about putting the rail line back into Otley. Do you think that would be more palatable to your developers???
[quote][p][bold]Half Pint Bob[/bold] wrote: By the way....how on earth would a new Arthington Train Station help and how on earth can you expect developers building in Otley to contribute???[/p][/quote]Well Mr Half Pint. Seen as you've asked. The occupants of these houses which you advocate as being such good news for Otley will have to work somewhere. How do you suggest they get to their place of work? Or mores to the point where do you think they will work? Most of the big industries in Otley have long gone so it's not there. Harrogate perhaps? Or most probably Leeds. In any event Harrogate or Leeds could both be reached by train from Arthington. It seems perfectly logical to me that those wishing to develop in the Wharfe Valley should contribute to its infrastructure by investing in something that will not only be an asset to the occupants of these new houses but will also be an asset to everyone else. Including the OAPs you choose to mention. If you haven't noticed the A660 into Leeds is full at peak times? We need something much more sustainable. It might even be a good time to think about putting the rail line back into Otley. Do you think that would be more palatable to your developers??? Arthington Station Action Group

8:25am Wed 11 Dec 13

Half Pint Bob says...

They're not my developers, I just think new housing is necessary to revitalise certain towns. There will be no appetite from developers or the rail companies to provide a station at Arthington, unless Arthington is willing to take 200 houses (I hear people turning in their graves). Without development Arthington would not qualify for funding through planning gain or CIL. The rail line into Otley is never going to happen. It would cost millions and millions and would involve knocking down recently built houses at Pool.

Unfortunately congestion at peak times is away of life, caused mainly be parents driving their fat kids to school. We all know this is true as in the summer you can get into Leeds from Otley in about 25 minutes.

We have a growing population, people have to live somewhere and until we build more houses for OAP's to downsize into, demand will always exceed supply and therefore push prices up to unaffordable levels.

And lets not start bleating on about affordable homes as we all know these can only (in most cases) be delivered alongside new open market homes.

Thanks I'm here all week
They're not my developers, I just think new housing is necessary to revitalise certain towns. There will be no appetite from developers or the rail companies to provide a station at Arthington, unless Arthington is willing to take 200 houses (I hear people turning in their graves). Without development Arthington would not qualify for funding through planning gain or CIL. The rail line into Otley is never going to happen. It would cost millions and millions and would involve knocking down recently built houses at Pool. Unfortunately congestion at peak times is away of life, caused mainly be parents driving their fat kids to school. We all know this is true as in the summer you can get into Leeds from Otley in about 25 minutes. We have a growing population, people have to live somewhere and until we build more houses for OAP's to downsize into, demand will always exceed supply and therefore push prices up to unaffordable levels. And lets not start bleating on about affordable homes as we all know these can only (in most cases) be delivered alongside new open market homes. Thanks I'm here all week Half Pint Bob

8:33am Wed 11 Dec 13

Half Pint Bob says...

Arthington Station Action Group wrote:
Half Pint Bob wrote:
By the way....how on earth would a new Arthington Train Station help and how on earth can you expect developers building in Otley to contribute???
Well Mr Half Pint.
Seen as you've asked. The occupants of these houses which you advocate as being such good news for Otley will have to work somewhere. How do you suggest they get to their place of work? Or mores to the point where do you think they will work? Most of the big industries in Otley have long gone so it's not there. Harrogate perhaps? Or most probably Leeds. In any event Harrogate or Leeds could both be reached by train from Arthington. It seems perfectly logical to me that those wishing to develop in the Wharfe Valley should contribute to its infrastructure by investing in something that will not only be an asset to the occupants of these new houses but will also be an asset to everyone else. Including the OAPs you choose to mention. If you haven't noticed the A660 into Leeds is full at peak times? We need something much more sustainable. It might even be a good time to think about putting the rail line back into Otley. Do you think that would be more palatable to your developers???
Also its Mr Bob....not Mr Half Pint. Half Pint is my first and middle name. How would you like to be called Mr Arthington Station Group!!!
[quote][p][bold]Arthington Station Action Group[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Half Pint Bob[/bold] wrote: By the way....how on earth would a new Arthington Train Station help and how on earth can you expect developers building in Otley to contribute???[/p][/quote]Well Mr Half Pint. Seen as you've asked. The occupants of these houses which you advocate as being such good news for Otley will have to work somewhere. How do you suggest they get to their place of work? Or mores to the point where do you think they will work? Most of the big industries in Otley have long gone so it's not there. Harrogate perhaps? Or most probably Leeds. In any event Harrogate or Leeds could both be reached by train from Arthington. It seems perfectly logical to me that those wishing to develop in the Wharfe Valley should contribute to its infrastructure by investing in something that will not only be an asset to the occupants of these new houses but will also be an asset to everyone else. Including the OAPs you choose to mention. If you haven't noticed the A660 into Leeds is full at peak times? We need something much more sustainable. It might even be a good time to think about putting the rail line back into Otley. Do you think that would be more palatable to your developers???[/p][/quote]Also its Mr Bob....not Mr Half Pint. Half Pint is my first and middle name. How would you like to be called Mr Arthington Station Group!!! Half Pint Bob

7:10pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Otleyresidentenow says...

Half Pint Bob wrote:
They're not my developers, I just think new housing is necessary to revitalise certain towns. There will be no appetite from developers or the rail companies to provide a station at Arthington, unless Arthington is willing to take 200 houses (I hear people turning in their graves). Without development Arthington would not qualify for funding through planning gain or CIL. The rail line into Otley is never going to happen. It would cost millions and millions and would involve knocking down recently built houses at Pool.

Unfortunately congestion at peak times is away of life, caused mainly be parents driving their fat kids to school. We all know this is true as in the summer you can get into Leeds from Otley in about 25 minutes.

We have a growing population, people have to live somewhere and until we build more houses for OAP's to downsize into, demand will always exceed supply and therefore push prices up to unaffordable levels.

And lets not start bleating on about affordable homes as we all know these can only (in most cases) be delivered alongside new open market homes.

Thanks I'm here all week
Dear Half Pint Bob
Well you have surpassed yourself and reached a new low with regards you’re so called argument. Blaming parents of ‘Fat Kids’ for the congestion at peak times is not only offensive, but naive and totally inaccurate. Maybe you should consider that some parents take time off and don’t travel to work when their kids are off school, let alone many more of us that have taken holidays ‘in holiday time’ without kids, but there is no point trying to use reason in response because I doubt you will even listen.

Also your disdain for our ageing population saddens me. Many ‘oap’s’ (as you call them), worked for years to provide you with many of the benefits you take for granted. Casting them off and dismissing them I’m afraid only shows others the kind of person you are.
[quote][p][bold]Half Pint Bob[/bold] wrote: They're not my developers, I just think new housing is necessary to revitalise certain towns. There will be no appetite from developers or the rail companies to provide a station at Arthington, unless Arthington is willing to take 200 houses (I hear people turning in their graves). Without development Arthington would not qualify for funding through planning gain or CIL. The rail line into Otley is never going to happen. It would cost millions and millions and would involve knocking down recently built houses at Pool. Unfortunately congestion at peak times is away of life, caused mainly be parents driving their fat kids to school. We all know this is true as in the summer you can get into Leeds from Otley in about 25 minutes. We have a growing population, people have to live somewhere and until we build more houses for OAP's to downsize into, demand will always exceed supply and therefore push prices up to unaffordable levels. And lets not start bleating on about affordable homes as we all know these can only (in most cases) be delivered alongside new open market homes. Thanks I'm here all week[/p][/quote]Dear Half Pint Bob Well you have surpassed yourself and reached a new low with regards you’re so called argument. Blaming parents of ‘Fat Kids’ for the congestion at peak times is not only offensive, but naive and totally inaccurate. Maybe you should consider that some parents take time off and don’t travel to work when their kids are off school, let alone many more of us that have taken holidays ‘in holiday time’ without kids, but there is no point trying to use reason in response because I doubt you will even listen. Also your disdain for our ageing population saddens me. Many ‘oap’s’ (as you call them), worked for years to provide you with many of the benefits you take for granted. Casting them off and dismissing them I’m afraid only shows others the kind of person you are. Otleyresidentenow

1:04pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Jaybee7 says...

I was brought up in Otley and moved to Scotland in 1971. Each time I return I see more changes, not always for the good in this lovely town. However we live a very much changed way than in 1971. Otley is not alone in having to change, most small towns appear to have very similar problems and get 'swallowed up' by the cities. Even with all the changes I still love Otley.
I was brought up in Otley and moved to Scotland in 1971. Each time I return I see more changes, not always for the good in this lovely town. However we live a very much changed way than in 1971. Otley is not alone in having to change, most small towns appear to have very similar problems and get 'swallowed up' by the cities. Even with all the changes I still love Otley. Jaybee7

8:30pm Sun 15 Dec 13

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