Bradford councillors clash on plans to scrap the maximum council tax benefit for unemployed (From Ilkley Gazette)

allannicho wrote:
34000 is a large amount lot of people not contributing anything?

picknick wrote:

allannicho wrote: 34000 is a large amount lot of people not contributing anything?

34,000 may be a lot but it doesn't say how many disabled or carer's are included in that amount either. Do you know where there are 34,000 vacancies I'm sure not all are happy being out of work. Also so long as your happy losing 10% of your benefit each week should you ever need it. This is 10% of your income the government say you need to live.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

scottie dog wrote:
Wake up and smell the coffee, starbucks, google, topshops pay less tax than the working man per capita of income if they paid a fair share of tax perhaps these savage cuts could be avoided.
Also think it's a bit of tongue in cheek critisism from the tories & lib dems when it's their policies that have caused it.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

angry bradfordian wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

How unemployable are these people meant to be if they need training to clean the streets?

Workfare schemes work perfectly well in other countries and I don't see why it would put council workers out of a job. There are plenty of streets that need litter picking on, verges that need strimming and graffiti that needs removing to keep plenty of people busy.
It would make the city look better and give back some self-respect to those who can't find a job.

A Casual Observer wrote:
Still no answer from Thee Voice Of Reason as to why he/she wouldn't do the Community Work....we're all waiting...

scottie dog wrote:
Wake up and smell the coffee, starbucks, google, topshops pay less tax than the working man per capita of income if they paid a fair share of tax perhaps these savage cuts could be avoided.
Also think it's a bit of tongue in cheek critisism from the tories & lib dems when it's their policies that have caused it.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
Still no answer from Thee Voice Of Reason as to why he/she wouldn't do the Community Work....we're all waiting...

Because you need people like me to pay into the system so you can get your dole money.

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner.
I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it.
Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
Still no answer from Thee Voice Of Reason as to why he/she wouldn't do the Community Work....we're all waiting...

Because you need people like me to pay into the system so you can get your dole money.

People like you? Or people like my parents, grand parents, great grand parents, etc. ?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

scottie dog wrote:
Wake up and smell the coffee, starbucks, google, topshops pay less tax than the working man per capita of income if they paid a fair share of tax perhaps these savage cuts could be avoided.
Also think it's a bit of tongue in cheek critisism from the tories & lib dems when it's their policies that have caused it.

Why didn't Labour sort out these tax dodgers in their period in office.
This Starbucks story goes back long before the Tories and Lib Dems took office.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
Still no answer from Thee Voice Of Reason as to why he/she wouldn't do the Community Work....we're all waiting...

Because you need people like me to pay into the system so you can get your dole money.

People like you? Or people like my parents, grand parents, great grand parents, etc. ?

People who pay into the system and aren't all take take take, so basically not people like you ;).

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

scottie dog wrote:
Wake up and smell the coffee, starbucks, google, topshops pay less tax than the working man per capita of income if they paid a fair share of tax perhaps these savage cuts could be avoided.
Also think it's a bit of tongue in cheek critisism from the tories & lib dems when it's their policies that have caused it.

Why didn't Labour sort out these tax dodgers in their period in office.
This Starbucks story goes back long before the Tories and Lib Dems took office.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
Still no answer from Thee Voice Of Reason as to why he/she wouldn't do the Community Work....we're all waiting...

Because you need people like me to pay into the system so you can get your dole money.

People like you? Or people like my parents, grand parents, great grand parents, etc. ?

People who pay into the system and aren't all take take take, so basically not people like you ;).

And how do you know that I haven't paid into the system?

allannicho wrote:
34000 is a large amount lot of people not contributing anything?

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner.
I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it.
Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it."

Where's the jobs?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
Still no answer from Thee Voice Of Reason as to why he/she wouldn't do the Community Work....we're all waiting...

Because you need people like me to pay into the system so you can get your dole money.

People like you? Or people like my parents, grand parents, great grand parents, etc. ?

People who pay into the system and aren't all take take take, so basically not people like you ;).

And how do you know that I haven't paid into the system?

Your very vocal about being owed a livingor are you now denying this.

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner.
I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it.
Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it."

Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside?
These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner.
I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it.
Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it."

Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside?
These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

"money for nothing" as you put it, is available to everyone, including those who are currently in work, but who are quite probably going to be the Benefit claimants of tomorrow. The State cannot negate its responsibilities to its citizens.

And actually I DO pick up other people's litter if I am in the countryside, though you are right to point out that it is a job that needs doing and someone could be earning a living by being paid to do it.

bmrblezard wrote:
I am a Disabled 22 year old who suffers with E.s.B.P.D, I also suffer with chronic panic attacks, Black outs and slight fits and I have a carer 24/7 to make sure my basic needs are talking care of. I also volunteer for 2 hours a week with the blind and visual impaired ( in which all I do is make them cups of tea and talk to them). I think its unfair for people like me and people whom have it worse then me for all this to go a head, they are making it more and more difficult for us all to try and fit in with people and live. I don't understand how everyone is picking on people on the JSA, DLA and ISA. you all go on about how your paying money for them to sit on there arses and yet you let GREEDY Parliament have 2 houses and pay the same tax you do, my mum and Step dad pay it too ands yet they know where that money is going. I have a friend who has a little girl and her child has to have DLA because she has a server disability and yet last month they ended up with no money because of this new scheme that has come about and even her child benefit has been cut in half. and yet allot of people have called her a scrounger, even tho she doesn't want to leave her daughter with strangers and with that she does not work. I understand people go to work so I can get my Medication and therapy I need and I would thank them all deeply but I put myself back into the world volunteering when I can and that just so I can give a little back in my own way.

bmrblezard wrote:
I am a Disabled 22 year old who suffers with E.s.B.P.D, I also suffer with chronic panic attacks, Black outs and slight fits and I have a carer 24/7 to make sure my basic needs are talking care of. I also volunteer for 2 hours a week with the blind and visual impaired ( in which all I do is make them cups of tea and talk to them). I think its unfair for people like me and people whom have it worse then me for all this to go a head, they are making it more and more difficult for us all to try and fit in with people and live. I don't understand how everyone is picking on people on the JSA, DLA and ISA. you all go on about how your paying money for them to sit on there arses and yet you let GREEDY Parliament have 2 houses and pay the same tax you do, my mum and Step dad pay it too ands yet they know where that money is going. I have a friend who has a little girl and her child has to have DLA because she has a server disability and yet last month they ended up with no money because of this new scheme that has come about and even her child benefit has been cut in half. and yet allot of people have called her a scrounger, even tho she doesn't want to leave her daughter with strangers and with that she does not work. I understand people go to work so I can get my Medication and therapy I need and I would thank them all deeply but I put myself back into the world volunteering when I can and that just so I can give a little back in my own way.

bmrblezard wrote:
I am a Disabled 22 year old who suffers with E.s.B.P.D, I also suffer with chronic panic attacks, Black outs and slight fits and I have a carer 24/7 to make sure my basic needs are talking care of. I also volunteer for 2 hours a week with the blind and visual impaired ( in which all I do is make them cups of tea and talk to them). I think its unfair for people like me and people whom have it worse then me for all this to go a head, they are making it more and more difficult for us all to try and fit in with people and live. I don't understand how everyone is picking on people on the JSA, DLA and ISA. you all go on about how your paying money for them to sit on there arses and yet you let GREEDY Parliament have 2 houses and pay the same tax you do, my mum and Step dad pay it too ands yet they know where that money is going. I have a friend who has a little girl and her child has to have DLA because she has a server disability and yet last month they ended up with no money because of this new scheme that has come about and even her child benefit has been cut in half. and yet allot of people have called her a scrounger, even tho she doesn't want to leave her daughter with strangers and with that she does not work. I understand people go to work so I can get my Medication and therapy I need and I would thank them all deeply but I put myself back into the world volunteering when I can and that just so I can give a little back in my own way.

Outraged English Subject wrote:

bmrblezard wrote:
I am a Disabled 22 year old who suffers with E.s.B.P.D, I also suffer with chronic panic attacks, Black outs and slight fits and I have a carer 24/7 to make sure my basic needs are talking care of. I also volunteer for 2 hours a week with the blind and visual impaired ( in which all I do is make them cups of tea and talk to them). I think its unfair for people like me and people whom have it worse then me for all this to go a head, they are making it more and more difficult for us all to try and fit in with people and live. I don't understand how everyone is picking on people on the JSA, DLA and ISA. you all go on about how your paying money for them to sit on there arses and yet you let GREEDY Parliament have 2 houses and pay the same tax you do, my mum and Step dad pay it too ands yet they know where that money is going. I have a friend who has a little girl and her child has to have DLA because she has a server disability and yet last month they ended up with no money because of this new scheme that has come about and even her child benefit has been cut in half. and yet allot of people have called her a scrounger, even tho she doesn't want to leave her daughter with strangers and with that she does not work. I understand people go to work so I can get my Medication and therapy I need and I would thank them all deeply but I put myself back into the world volunteering when I can and that just so I can give a little back in my own way.

Respects, I’ve worked and paid taxes all my life and never really thought about the unemployed and the benefits system, until reading some of the inward looking and self-righteous comments that are posted on here, by what seems to be the same people week in and week out. After the MOD, NHS, ECT ECT ECT, have taken their cut, the amount of my personal tax that reaches the unemployed as benefit as to be a very small percentage. A shame that a few people think that it’s them who are paying, so the unemployed and their children can eat food / wear clothes and have a roof over their heads!!!

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

bmrblezard wrote:
I am a Disabled 22 year old who suffers with E.s.B.P.D, I also suffer with chronic panic attacks, Black outs and slight fits and I have a carer 24/7 to make sure my basic needs are talking care of. I also volunteer for 2 hours a week with the blind and visual impaired ( in which all I do is make them cups of tea and talk to them). I think its unfair for people like me and people whom have it worse then me for all this to go a head, they are making it more and more difficult for us all to try and fit in with people and live. I don't understand how everyone is picking on people on the JSA, DLA and ISA. you all go on about how your paying money for them to sit on there arses and yet you let GREEDY Parliament have 2 houses and pay the same tax you do, my mum and Step dad pay it too ands yet they know where that money is going. I have a friend who has a little girl and her child has to have DLA because she has a server disability and yet last month they ended up with no money because of this new scheme that has come about and even her child benefit has been cut in half. and yet allot of people have called her a scrounger, even tho she doesn't want to leave her daughter with strangers and with that she does not work. I understand people go to work so I can get my Medication and therapy I need and I would thank them all deeply but I put myself back into the world volunteering when I can and that just so I can give a little back in my own way.

watcher22 wrote:
Eg. Unemployed man is a house owner. He has some of his family living in the same house and earning good money. Because he is u/e does he pay no CT? Is that fair? Not in my book. It should be the household that pays the CT, not just the owner.

BD16-And-Annoyed wrote:
Nice little philosophy that I know will never happen. Give the pensioners and disabled people a break, ill assume a large amount of the pensioners in west Yorkshire were fighting in the war for us! Actual disabled people (not these people who claim to have a bad back from a car accident ten years ago yet often get caught out playing football with their kids) are often unable to work or do so with special conditions. Lets take the benefits off these little wastes of space who use the money to get a few "tinnies" and a couple of joints so they can hang around parks at night, or generally conform to some form of antisocial behavior. I don't mind knowing my tax money goes on helping the elderly/disabled or towards out policing/health system (as shocking as it may be at times) but i'm fed up of seeing these good for nothing idiots (like some of the people mentioned in the unemployment article) wasting tax payers money!!

Commonsensefirst wrote:
Perhaps some people refused to vote for Labour at the last local election because some of them were presented holding machine guns.

alfucham wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

You are never going to win with casual.

sums up a society that perhaps expects the state to provide everything these days.
If most people working contribute by paying taxes to these things and the considerable resources for those that cannot find work but want to work it time we all had perhaps had a different attitude and were prepared to do just even a few hours a week.

it"s a good job Casual lived not in the days of my grandma who died in 1968.

No housing benefit then and if the council house rent was not there on a friday she would be worrying herself to death.
Pre Bevin of course.

Remember the fire service was voluntary service.

We now take for granted the right to take from the state and not have to put anything back.

Whole generations of people with casual"s attitude.

They are his streets for his benefit.

It appears to be a thing of the past a community spirit of pride in ones area.

People used to pasint there steps white regularly and have a pride of appearance in locality and neighbourhood.

You are right Bradford is now scruffy and there probably could be more spent on these frontline services if the non contributing pen pushers a plenty who appear to do little were culled.

Hard work killed noone casual.
Worrying about it does.

Roll another spliff and float off back to Mars.

You might be amazed how much better you would feel for putting in a good day off the weed and seeing something turn from filth to gleam.

As I say it would kill you not and take you a further day forward with your meaningless life to its ultimate end.

Sounds like you"ve given up.

alfucham wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

You are never going to win with casual.

sums up a society that perhaps expects the state to provide everything these days.
If most people working contribute by paying taxes to these things and the considerable resources for those that cannot find work but want to work it time we all had perhaps had a different attitude and were prepared to do just even a few hours a week.

it"s a good job Casual lived not in the days of my grandma who died in 1968.

No housing benefit then and if the council house rent was not there on a friday she would be worrying herself to death.
Pre Bevin of course.

Remember the fire service was voluntary service.

We now take for granted the right to take from the state and not have to put anything back.

Whole generations of people with casual"s attitude.

They are his streets for his benefit.

It appears to be a thing of the past a community spirit of pride in ones area.

People used to pasint there steps white regularly and have a pride of appearance in locality and neighbourhood.

You are right Bradford is now scruffy and there probably could be more spent on these frontline services if the non contributing pen pushers a plenty who appear to do little were culled.

Hard work killed noone casual.
Worrying about it does.

Roll another spliff and float off back to Mars.

You might be amazed how much better you would feel for putting in a good day off the weed and seeing something turn from filth to gleam.

As I say it would kill you not and take you a further day forward with your meaningless life to its ultimate end.

Sounds like you"ve given up.

A Casual Observer wrote:

BD16-And-Annoyed wrote:
Nice little philosophy that I know will never happen. Give the pensioners and disabled people a break, ill assume a large amount of the pensioners in west Yorkshire were fighting in the war for us! Actual disabled people (not these people who claim to have a bad back from a car accident ten years ago yet often get caught out playing football with their kids) are often unable to work or do so with special conditions. Lets take the benefits off these little wastes of space who use the money to get a few "tinnies" and a couple of joints so they can hang around parks at night, or generally conform to some form of antisocial behavior. I don't mind knowing my tax money goes on helping the elderly/disabled or towards out policing/health system (as shocking as it may be at times) but i'm fed up of seeing these good for nothing idiots (like some of the people mentioned in the unemployment article) wasting tax payers money!!

No one wastes taxpayers' money like the Government. They repeatedly throw money away on pointless back-to-work schemes costing billions, when there are no jobs and most of the unemployed are unemployable. They gave away £8.6 Million of your money last year alone to Emma Harrison, the owner of a private company, and for doing absolutely nothing.

RollandSmoke wrote:
How does a government avoid accusations of genocide when the poorest in society are used as a cash cow, demanding even more of their already limited finances in council tax, bedroom tax ect at a time when more and more people are relient on food bank and struggle to heat their homes?
It's easy really. If people are driven to take their own lives then there is no blood on the governments hands.
Over a thousand dead last year within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. And this is only the people who's outcomes have been monitored.
It's not only the disabled who are sick but the sickness of the government and some of the posters on here isn't medical, it's pathelogical

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
How does a government avoid accusations of genocide when the poorest in society are used as a cash cow, demanding even more of their already limited finances in council tax, bedroom tax ect at a time when more and more people are relient on food bank and struggle to heat their homes?
It's easy really. If people are driven to take their own lives then there is no blood on the governments hands.
Over a thousand dead last year within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. And this is only the people who's outcomes have been monitored.
It's not only the disabled who are sick but the sickness of the government and some of the posters on here isn't medical, it's pathelogical

Are you saying here over a 1000 people killed themselves when told they would have to work...thats sounds an outrageous made up figure. You could have said 10 or something to make it even slightly beleivable but 1000 lol

And all within 6 weeks...lol

And for being told they would have to work !!!!.....lol

A Casual Observer wrote:

alfucham wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

You are never going to win with casual.

sums up a society that perhaps expects the state to provide everything these days.
If most people working contribute by paying taxes to these things and the considerable resources for those that cannot find work but want to work it time we all had perhaps had a different attitude and were prepared to do just even a few hours a week.

it"s a good job Casual lived not in the days of my grandma who died in 1968.

No housing benefit then and if the council house rent was not there on a friday she would be worrying herself to death.
Pre Bevin of course.

Remember the fire service was voluntary service.

We now take for granted the right to take from the state and not have to put anything back.

Whole generations of people with casual"s attitude.

They are his streets for his benefit.

It appears to be a thing of the past a community spirit of pride in ones area.

People used to pasint there steps white regularly and have a pride of appearance in locality and neighbourhood.

You are right Bradford is now scruffy and there probably could be more spent on these frontline services if the non contributing pen pushers a plenty who appear to do little were culled.

Hard work killed noone casual.
Worrying about it does.

Roll another spliff and float off back to Mars.

You might be amazed how much better you would feel for putting in a good day off the weed and seeing something turn from filth to gleam.

As I say it would kill you not and take you a further day forward with your meaningless life to its ultimate end.

Sounds like you"ve given up.

Interesting to note that you said " float off BACK TO Mars" !

Little do you know that's exactly where we all came from!

The Luciferian Fire Spirits from Mars have, for the last billion or so years, been incarnating here on planet Earth, the planet of water, in order to be spiritually 'quenched'.

Our next destination, following the Transmogrification, is in the 4th Dimension of Venus, where we shall dwell as hermaphrodites. All perfectly true, yet you nothing of it, and will undoubtedly assume that I am insane! LOL

Albion. wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
How does a government avoid accusations of genocide when the poorest in society are used as a cash cow, demanding even more of their already limited finances in council tax, bedroom tax ect at a time when more and more people are relient on food bank and struggle to heat their homes?
It's easy really. If people are driven to take their own lives then there is no blood on the governments hands.
Over a thousand dead last year within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. And this is only the people who's outcomes have been monitored.
It's not only the disabled who are sick but the sickness of the government and some of the posters on here isn't medical, it's pathelogical

Are you saying here over a 1000 people killed themselves when told they would have to work...thats sounds an outrageous made up figure. You could have said 10 or something to make it even slightly beleivable but 1000 lol

And all within 6 weeks...lol

And for being told they would have to work !!!!.....lol

To some on here that would be their biggest nightmare.

RollandSmoke wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: How does a government avoid accusations of genocide when the poorest in society are used as a cash cow, demanding even more of their already limited finances in council tax, bedroom tax ect at a time when more and more people are relient on food bank and struggle to heat their homes? It's easy really. If people are driven to take their own lives then there is no blood on the governments hands. Over a thousand dead last year within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. And this is only the people who's outcomes have been monitored. It's not only the disabled who are sick but the sickness of the government and some of the posters on here isn't medical, it's pathelogical

Are you saying here over a 1000 people killed themselves when told they would have to work...thats sounds an outrageous made up figure. You could have said 10 or something to make it even slightly beleivable but 1000 lol And all within 6 weeks...lol And for being told they would have to work !!!!.....lol

To some on here that would be their biggest nightmare.

Whether they died do to their medical conditions or through suicide is irrelevent really. The fact remains the came into contact with ATOS and now they're dead. http://blogs.mirror. co.uk/investigations /2012/04/32-die-a-we ek-after-failing-in. html

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on.

Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax.

So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain

If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives?

I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right.

So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

Once again I say, work it out yourself, it's not rocket science, and maybe you'll educate yourself in the process.

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

Once again I say, work it out yourself, it's not rocket science, and maybe you'll educate yourself in the process.

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

Once again I say, work it out yourself, it's not rocket science, and maybe you'll educate yourself in the process.

seeing as you cant give me a straight answer I will have to come to the conclusion you simply referring to the "cant be bothered" lot.

Once again I refer you to the fact anyone can make a success of themselves with hard work and a drive to suceed.

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain

If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives?

I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right.

So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

Once again I say, work it out yourself, it's not rocket science, and maybe you'll educate yourself in the process.

seeing as you cant give me a straight answer I will have to come to the conclusion you simply referring to the "cant be bothered" lot. Once again I refer you to the fact anyone can make a success of themselves with hard work and a drive to suceed.

Riposte already specified, just can't be bothered reiterating myself to you. Refer to my previous post.

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

I wouldn't call becoming a millionaire "making something" of yourself! There's no pockets on shrouds y'know It's easier for a camel to pass thru' the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven.

Andy2010 wrote:

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

I wouldn't call becoming a millionaire "making something" of yourself! There's no pockets on shrouds y'know It's easier for a camel to pass thru' the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven.

Tell you what...prove beyond all doubt that your "god" exists then I will truly beleive to make a success out of my life is not just about money

angry bradfordian wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

bmrblezard wrote:
I am a Disabled 22 year old who suffers with E.s.B.P.D, I also suffer with chronic panic attacks, Black outs and slight fits and I have a carer 24/7 to make sure my basic needs are talking care of. I also volunteer for 2 hours a week with the blind and visual impaired ( in which all I do is make them cups of tea and talk to them). I think its unfair for people like me and people whom have it worse then me for all this to go a head, they are making it more and more difficult for us all to try and fit in with people and live. I don't understand how everyone is picking on people on the JSA, DLA and ISA. you all go on about how your paying money for them to sit on there arses and yet you let GREEDY Parliament have 2 houses and pay the same tax you do, my mum and Step dad pay it too ands yet they know where that money is going. I have a friend who has a little girl and her child has to have DLA because she has a server disability and yet last month they ended up with no money because of this new scheme that has come about and even her child benefit has been cut in half. and yet allot of people have called her a scrounger, even tho she doesn't want to leave her daughter with strangers and with that she does not work. I understand people go to work so I can get my Medication and therapy I need and I would thank them all deeply but I put myself back into the world volunteering when I can and that just so I can give a little back in my own way.

Respects, I’ve worked and paid taxes all my life and never really thought about the unemployed and the benefits system, until reading some of the inward looking and self-righteous comments that are posted on here, by what seems to be the same people week in and week out. After the MOD, NHS, ECT ECT ECT, have taken their cut, the amount of my personal tax that reaches the unemployed as benefit as to be a very small percentage. A shame that a few people think that it’s them who are paying, so the unemployed and their children can eat food / wear clothes and have a roof over their heads!!!

If you Google 'How UK taxes are spent' there is a link to a very interesting tax calculator on the Guardian website that explains the breakdown of taxes. For a household earning £40k, the daily tax bill is broken down as follows:

Running Government £3.57
Defence: £2.63
HEALTH: £7.89
HELPING OTHERS: £14.64
Running the country: £3.47
Education: £5.92
Order & Safety: £2.42
Culture: £0.94
Our Streets: £1.07
The Environment: £0.69

Therefore Health and Social Security take up more than half of all taxes collected from all of us.
Given those figures it would be difficult to cut public spending without some of the cuts being in this area.

Salty Bantam wrote:
Those who foolishly believe in devoting one's life to making money have fallen under the influence of Satan. Man cannot serve two Masters; God AND Mammon!

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

I wouldn't call becoming a millionaire "making something" of yourself! There's no pockets on shrouds y'know It's easier for a camel to pass thru' the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven.

Tell you what...prove beyond all doubt that your "god" exists then I will truly beleive to make a success out of my life is not just about money

There IS proof of the existence of God, and there has been for a very long time. Descartes proved the existence of God philosophically (ie. logically), and if you want empirical proof look no further than Geometry (= the Mind of God). If there were no God then Geometry wouldn't work or wouldn't exist, but it does, and it is perfect and can be demonstrated, YET man did not invent it! Man *discovered* the existence of Geometry and it can be proven, ie. demonstrated. Geometry exists independently of man and is perfect, therefore equatable to the Godhead, as is Virtue (Plato) and Quality (Persig). Hence God exists! Of course you need a modicum of intelligence to appreciate this fact.

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes.

Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence.

All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then.

Thought not

pmsl, rant over now? thank God!

"Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth" The blind and disabled? "Everyone" what a meaningless and foolish comment, IMAO!

Andy2010 wrote:

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why don't the unemployed give up some of their busy schedule to do some council work like clean the streets etc, so the money that would have been spent there can cover the shortfall of the council tax?

And who is going to pay for the required training, PPE, employment insurance, and extra food that the workers will need? And what of the Council workers already employed to do those jobs, make them redundant? Your barmy half-baked suggestion is utter nonsense and you are an utter fool.

Plenty of people are sentenced to do community work, so why shouldn't you, why should you be given money for doing nothing?

If you're jealous of people claiming Unemployment Benefit, and you strongly believe in doing Community Work, why don't you quit your job then? Answer me that.

Because I'm a pensioner. I'm not jealous of people having essential benefits but if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it. Those such as you however should be kicked out of the system, as a runt is from the litter.

"if they are able bodied there should be work for them to do, and they should be willing and proud to do it." Where's the jobs?

How about clearing all the blocked footpaths and picking up litter and so on, in the countryside? These are things that are currently done by wrongdoers, why can't able bodied unemployed be used as well, why should you get money for nothing while others work?

What a load of rubbish. I have not paid taxes for the last fourty years so that if i become unemployed I have to grovel for help by cleaning other peoples mess up and expect to be grateful for the measly hand out this Government thinks people need to live on. Unemployed people are expected to pay rent from next year because of the bedroom tax at the same time millionaires have been told their are no plans for a mansion tax. So if I was made unemployed tomorrow I would not be getting money for nothing - It's my money that I have paid into the system.

Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not

Excuse me but the reason I am paying national Insurance IS so that should I require help I AM entitled to benefits should I not be in work. So while the Government is making the poor suffer by having to pay for things that were previously not covered, without increasing benefits, this Government reduces tax for millionaires from 50% to 45% claiming it will prevent tax avoidance. Everyone doesn't have the opportunity to make a great life for themselves, so get a grip of yourself and get in the real world.

Explain why everyone doesnt have an opportunity to make something of themselves. As education is provided free of charge please explain

Work it out yourself,

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss..please explain If education is provided free of charge as it is isnt everyone equal in the fact they can make something of their lives? I went to school at one of the worst schools in Bradford at the time in the middle of one of the most deprived estates yet I could name you two people in my year from said estate that knuckled down and despite coming from "poor" backgrounds have now gone on to be millionaires in their own right. So again I ask please explain how no-one is given the chance to make a better life for themselves.

I wouldn't call becoming a millionaire "making something" of yourself! There's no pockets on shrouds y'know It's easier for a camel to pass thru' the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven.

Tell you what...prove beyond all doubt that your "god" exists then I will truly beleive to make a success out of my life is not just about money

There IS proof of the existence of God, and there has been for a very long time. Descartes proved the existence of God philosophically (ie. logically), and if you want empirical proof look no further than Geometry (= the Mind of God). If there were no God then Geometry wouldn't work or wouldn't exist, but it does, and it is perfect and can be demonstrated, YET man did not invent it! Man *discovered* the existence of Geometry and it can be proven, ie. demonstrated. Geometry exists independently of man and is perfect, therefore equatable to the Godhead, as is Virtue (Plato) and Quality (Persig). Hence God exists! Of course you need a modicum of intelligence to appreciate this fact.

What the hell are you on about. You are saying because Geometry exists as a maths equasion then god does !

Ive heard some far out reasons trying to justify a god before but trying to justify it with Maths is the strangest yet

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote: Thats where your wrong. Paying taxes isnt a savings account for yourself. And seen as you go on about millionaires etc why not make something of yourself and make a few million then according to yourself you wont need to worry about taxes. Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth if thats what they want through education and hard work but alas most are too bone idle to bother. You will find most "millionaire" as you put it work their 4rses off to and have done for years to make money coupled with their ongoing education, training and intelligence. All you seem to here is "taxes are fair" blah blah blah...well if they arent and anyone feels the more wealthy are getting a better deal create welath yourself then. Thought not pmsl, rant over now? thank God! "Everyone has the opportunity to make a great life for themselves and vast wealth" The blind and disabled? "Everyone" what a meaningless and foolish comment, IMAO!

What are you taking about!! Who is Riposte??? "The blind and disabled" YOU GOT It NOW!! Not the sharpest tool in the box, are you!

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Utter Nonsense!

Andy2010 wrote:
Just admit you have no comeback to people wanting to make something of their life. If you read back the topic changed about half way through as nearly every topic does on this site.

Lets leave it that you simply cant be 4rsed working hard and think everyone is equal blah blah blah and anyone that makes anything of themselves shoudl support everyone else cos its "fair"

Lets just leave it at that

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: Just admit you have no comeback to people wanting to make something of their life. If you read back the topic changed about half way through as nearly every topic does on this site. Lets leave it that you simply cant be 4rsed working hard and think everyone is equal blah blah blah and anyone that makes anything of themselves shoudl support everyone else cos its "fair" Lets just leave it at that

It all depends how you define "making something". There's more to life than accumulating material wealth.

Andy2010 wrote:
Just admit you have no comeback to people wanting to make something of their life. If you read back the topic changed about half way through as nearly every topic does on this site.

Lets leave it that you simply cant be 4rsed working hard and think everyone is equal blah blah blah and anyone that makes anything of themselves shoudl support everyone else cos its "fair"

Lets just leave it at that